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[JC 042]

There goes my attempt to lighten the mood

[Fuzzy]

I quite like how this is going. So far those that have expressed their opinions have done so in a mature manner and have been able to have a proper discussion take place without anyone dptrying to ridicule or tarnish anyone else's views.

[Authrix]

Indeed. Makes quite a change

[dx144]

Well I do get carried away when I speak or type passionately about things... Sorry for getting carried away =(

Well I have seen most of the Saw movies. First one was ok. Now the ones most recently released are just a gorefest. It is basically the most brutal/bloodiest deaths possible.

But saying someone is unworthy of life puts someone in the role of a God in a way. Man shouldn't have control over another.

What makes that man superior and allowed to decide another fate?

If someone killed then they were killed isn't the person who killed the killer just as bad or is it the person who allowed the killer to be killed?

No JC! =P No lightening the mood! =)

[JC 042]

I quite like how this is going. So far those that have expressed their opinions have done so in a mature manner and have been able to have a proper discussion take place without anyone dptrying to ridicule or tarnish anyone else's views.

This is a serious morale discussion where in real life people rant and argue over. This is Gothic Wars where we rant and argue over "which noob tuber stole my kill!?!"

Everything is reversed here in upside-down-land,

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And on the topic of not the thought but the action what's your opinion on the attempt? Just as bad or not? 

This is a serious morale discussion where in real life people rant and argue over. This is Gothic Wars where we rant and argue over "which noob tuber stole my kill!?!"

I think this is one of my most proudest posts

[Fuzzy]

The attempt I think is just as bad as the action in my opinion.

DX: I don't count it as that because the moment a human kills another human for no reason I don't see them as more then an animal.

[dx144]

Attempted murder is basically murder but they fail at murder. I don't know if that is a good thing or not. Could be as a life wasn't killed but the intention of murdering some is still there.

Killing with a reason is better than just mindless killing who is right to justify what is a right reason to kill?

Only reason I can see as a reason to kill is to protect. Which would need evidence on why you needed to kill that person. It was to prevent them from causing harm.

[Fuzzy]

I just see it as this. I know for a fact that seems as the death penalty is illegal in the UK that if someone say, murdered one of my family and was compleatly unprovoked, because we do not have capital punishment I would kill them myself and I would not feel good about it, but I would feel that justiace had been served, no matter the consequences for myself. Are you saying if someone broke into your parents house while they slept and murdered them you wouldnt want to see that person dead?

[JC 042]

I personally don't agree with the idea of fighting for your country as justification for killing. I know people say that they go to serve in wars to protect their country and their loved ones, but isn't that the same thing the people you are killing are thinking? You going to fight others to protect your people is going to prompt them to do exactly the same, and its not like the soldiers you are fighting want to go to your home and murder your family, they have the exact same thing on their mind as you do; the false idea that its fighting to protect from the man you are now killing.

It eventually boils down to the cause of the war: Land. Resources. Money. Disagreement. Rebellion.

All of which stems from the arguments of governments and dictators.

For example Im sure that pretty soon there will be a war with North Korea, and the soldiers of North Korea will wage war with the idea of protecting their loved ones and of overthrowing the oppressive foreign governments that are starving their people. As their dictators propaganda has taught them, when in reality it's their dictator that wants to grow in power. So the only thing you are killing for in war is your government.

And the only case of justifying killing a man in a war is when you kill the monster that caused it.

That's why I don't see any justification in wars, but sadly they will exist for as long as humans do.

[dx144]

Under those circumstances I would want to see anyone who did that die or in pain or something. But I have never had anything like that happen so I cannot say what I would do.

People always say vengeance doesn't make the pain go away.

If they killed my parents they would have died that night. If that person was in for a proper life sentence not just 40+ years. (I understand that if 40+ years into the future things might have changed so much so it is like your life being stolen...)

But with the current prison system and the amount of stuff prisoners can get. Some even are rewarded for good behaviour... So a killer who acted good a week or so could be given something like chocolate, TV privileges or something else that some people in the UK cannot get as it is a luxury and cannot allocate funds to it.

If the prison changed back into the Victorian style prisons where in prison you have no privileges. You lost them the day the courts found you guilty. Human Rights change thing though.

Not killing someone isn't soft. In a way it is being harder on someone. Killing someone is more of a mercy in my eyes. Leaving them to rot in a prison cell and leaving them with their own thoughts. They will one day see where they went wrong. Hopefully anyway.

Everyday I would be reminded my parents are dead. Though the person who killed them is now rotting away without anything or anyone except himself. I would find that comfort enough I imagine.

If I knew who did kill them but they got away with it then yes I probably would take action into my own hands. 

I personally don't agree with the idea of fighting for your country as justification for killing. I know people say that they go to serve in wars to protect their country and their loved ones, but isn't that the same thing the people you are killing are thinking? You going to fight others to protect your people is going to prompt them to do exactly the same, and its not like the soldiers you are fighting want to go to your home and murder your family, they have the exact same thing on their mind as you do; the false idea that its fighting to protect from the man you are now killing.

It eventually boils down to the cause of the war: Land. Resources. Money. Disagreement. Rebellion.

All of which stems from the arguments of governments and dictators.

For example Im sure that pretty soon there will be a war with North Korea, and the soldiers of North Korea will wage war with the idea of protecting their loved ones and of overthrowing the oppressive foreign governments that are starving their people. As their dictators propaganda has taught them, when in reality it's their dictator that wants to grow in power. So the only thing you are killing for in war is your government.

And the only case of justifying killing a man in a war is when you kill the monster that caused it.

That's why I don't see any justification in wars, but sadly they will exist for as long as humans do.

War has a warped sense of morality. War is different. War's law doesn't apply to peace's law or justice.

From what I have heard and read in war it is more a sense of you are fighting for those beside you more than your country. When you join a squad, division, regiment, brigade or whatever you make friends.

You don't just see these friends you live with them, breathe with them and fight with them. If someone is fighting with them you are bound to assist even if it means killing.

Doesn't justify it but in war everything is different.

[Fuzzy]

I think this is probably my proudest thread.

[Danguinius]

I'll keep it simple.

Shoot em all, let god sort em out!

[CruciasNZ]

Holy crap, a thread involving Fuzzball and DX that hasn't gone off the rails oO - must buy lottery ticket at once!

a few years ago in Citizenship classes at school

Da Fuk is Citizenship classes?! That sounds like some indoctrination thing!

Most of what I think of is much more gruesome and disgusting to watch, and it would be done in public and recorded to replace adverts late at night. So that criminals would fear the punishment to the point they would just be too scared to be criminals.

So you want to emulate "Starship Troopers" - do you want to know more?

Shouldn't they be cast out of society to somewhere no other part of Mankind lived/has been.

Just find an uninhabited island and send them there. Let them live like the animals they have become.

They tried that, unfortunately Australia was a failure even then ^~

(well it did have some Aboriginals, but they were so sparse it was effectively uninhabited back then).

I reckon we should setup a Lunar mining colony or something, and people who loose the right to live amongst general society go there. You'd have to come up with a system that encourages them to work, without enslaving them - perhaps work on one of the myriad of jobs available, or you get no food.

It eventually boils down to the cause of the war: Land. Resources. Money. Disagreement. Rebellion.

Forgot religion (doesn't always come under disagreement), and family/clan

 

I'm on the fence for the thread subject, I think that there are indeed criminals that deserve a capital sentence; however, I cannot tell you where the line of "acceptability" is for me.

[dx144]

Well Australia wasn't really a bad idea as it was a land where there was nothing could have become a country =P

Most people didn't really care. You were kind of banished there because if you ever returned you were then given the death penalty.

Who really cares now. They are part of the Commonwealth and supported us through many wars =)

Citizenship lessons basically (I haven't done them for five years...) are lesson which will teach you about laws. Discussing laws. Come to think of it I failed everything single test I had in Citizenship. Hated the lessons.

I dropped it the moment they gave me the chance. Made me also drop Religious Education because they link together into one whole GCSE. Wasn't really a fan of Religious Education but Mr G was best school teacher.

He like 50 but who cares. He was awesome =D

I think they might have changed it to Ethics were my sister seems to get upset when I give my thinking for Ethics...

Also numbers for the lottery ticket.
6, 23, 17, 30, 9, 12

I've never done a lottery ticket so I don't know how many numbers there are. DEXY WIN!

[JC 042]

Holy crap, a thread involving Fuzzball and DX that hasn't gone off the rails oO - must buy lottery ticket at once!

a few years ago in Citizenship classes at school

Da Fuk is Citizenship classes?! That sounds like some indoctrination thing!

Bullshit lessons that supposedly help you understand your country and world issues. It was made compulsory by the government because they wanted more young people to vote.

Most of what I think of is much more gruesome and disgusting to watch, and it would be done in public and recorded to replace adverts late at night. So that criminals would fear the punishment to the point they would just be too scared to be criminals.

So you want to emulate "Starship Troopers" - do you want to know more?

Sure why not

It eventually boils down to the cause of the war: Land. Resources. Money. Disagreement. Rebellion.

Forgot religion (doesn't always come under disagreement), and family/clan

Avoided mentioning it because that's an even more sensitive issue.

[Fuzzy]

Thank god I never had to do that lesson, I just had to do the basics (English, maths and science) and afew of my choices which were history, p.e, media and business&enterprise. Any lesson like citizenship would have killed me.

[dx144]

Well all I do now is Health & Social Care and Public Services. I finish them off in a few months. I think I need to actaully hand in a load of work today. Teacher is going to be disappointed...

Can hand in all my work on the last day. Huzzah for Btecs! =P

[JC 042]

Holy crap, a thread involving Fuzzball and DX that hasn't gone off the rails oO

Da Fuk is Citizenship classes?!

Cru posts this and then derails the thread  

And Btecs are way too easy for the fact it's worth double GCSE's. I did two and that got me 2 A*'s and 2 A's.

And DX how the fuck did you fail Citizenship?!? I revised jack shit and got an A!!!

[dx144]

Well Btecs are being changed a little apparently =/

Well I didn't care for Citizenship. Also I terrible exams and tests...

Citizenship was the lesson that I appeared late to every time. Joked with other people in the class. Did nothing at all in Citizenship.

[JC 042]

And small question dude, arent you 17 so currently doing your A-Levels? Correct me if Im wrong but there aren't any Btec A-Levels