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[TheGodDernMan]

This exert is straight from the Offical Dark Angels Codex: Dark Angels Codex by- Jervis Johnson and Andy Hoare Pg. 20

As the space marine legions pushed forward the frontiers of the Imperium. Each Primarch strove to excel in the eyes of the Emperor and none more so then the bombastic Leman Russ Primarch of the Space Wolves. Only Horus and Lion El'Jonson could claim more victories then Russ, and this was a constant frustration to him.

I don't see anything about the Ultramarines lol, so to all you smurf fans and wolf fans out there who look down on the Dark Angels for whatever trivial reasons, eat some of that cake!

[Domine Nox]

Provided you overlook that whole losing a fair portion of his Legion to Chaos leanings. Smurfs and Wolves didn't have that problem.

[TheGodDernMan]

LOL provided that your ENTIRE Night Lords fell to chaos, where would be your room to judge?

[Domine Nox]

Umm... you were comparing Ultramarines and Space Wolves with Dark Angels. I compared back. I do not see how you pointing the faults of a 4th Legion have any bearing on the points made on the previous three.

[TheGodDernMan]

Reguardless, this post is pertaining to the time when ALL Legions/Primarch were understood as Loyal and assumes that it would stay that way.  
Apologies, lol I defend the Honor of the Dark Angels intensely

[Yapay38]

And that's fine Dern but when you're talking about three of the leigons, talk about them don't throw in others just because.

[Gerhart]

From Lexicanum -

With the exception of the Luna Wolves, no Legion conquered as many worlds, or conquered worlds as fast, or left conquered worlds in such good state during the Great Crusade, as the Ultramarines. Whenever Guilliman liberated a world, he would not move on until he had set up a self-sufficient defense system, and left advisors behind to create industry, set up trade routes with the rest of the Imperium, and form a government whose first concern would always be the well-being of the people.

http://wh40k.lexican...boute_Guilliman

Also I believe from reading the HH series the Lion was one of the later Primarchs to be found and thus strove to catch up with Guilliman and Horus. And Nox I believe the 4th legion was the Iron Warriors, I assume you ment the 13th or 6th, Ultra and Wolves respectfully.

[TheGodDernMan]

Lexicanium isn't a viable source on 40k lore as much as people think it is. Please provide a legitimate source that has been published, and backed by Games workshop or from the offical Black Library.

[Domine Nox]

The Great Crusade

With the exception of the Luna Wolves, no Legion conquered as many worlds, or conquered worlds as fast, or left conquered worlds in such good state during the Great Crusade, as the Ultramarines. Whenever Guilliman liberated a world, he would not move on until he had set up a self-sufficient defense system, and left advisors behind to create industry, set up trade routes with the rest of the Imperium, and form a government whose first concern would always be the well-being of the people[1b].

And if you follow that 1b to the source it is directly taken from, the Space Marine's Codex, page 13.

[TheGodDernMan]

And even if the Lion was found later then Guilliman, that would make his accomplishments much more lauded, to be the under dog in the Great Crusade.

[Yapay38]

MFW it's a real reference.

[Gerhart]

Though I find this odd.....I dont believe anyone talked bad about the Lion....Though now that you bring it up.....

He did have the whole problem with being able to read people, thus why he gave away the massive cannon to Perturabo that helped tear down the fortifications that Dorn built on Terra.

Beat ya NOX!!!! 

Lexicanium isn't a viable source on 40k lore as much as people think it is. Please provide a legitimate source that has been published, and backed by Games workshop or from the offical Black Library.

If you check it its taken from the SM:CODEX. How is it not viable? All new info is checked for source material.......

[Armoured Priest]

[Yapay38]

[Gerhart]

Really guys? Flame war.......how about a simple debate?

[Zero]

Really guys? Flame war.......how about a simple debate?

This, keep it civil.

EDIT: And on topic.

[Talon Lord Othrim]

Can we keep on topic of discussion pls!?

[TheGodDernMan]

MFW it's a real reference.

link me?

[Yapay38]

The Great Crusade

With the exception of the Luna Wolves, no Legion conquered as many worlds, or conquered worlds as fast, or left conquered worlds in such good state during the Great Crusade, as the Ultramarines. Whenever Guilliman liberated a world, he would not move on until he had set up a self-sufficient defense system, and left advisors behind to create industry, set up trade routes with the rest of the Imperium, and form a government whose first concern would always be the well-being of the people[1b].

And if you follow that 1b to the source it is directly taken from, the Space Marine's Codex, page 13.

This right here.

[TheGodDernMan]

I had a really nice post typed out and it was erased off my screen some how ;(....

Anyway lol, however you look at it-- NONE of the Primarchs were perfect and they ALL had, shall we say, defects? Granted they were all super men, each had their own issues that were never discussed, save for in private with the Emperor alone. There are a few things that erk me a lil as I am sure each of you have your preferred Primarch, you may feel the same way similarly.

The Lion was very secretive and distrustful of everyone by nature. To lead you do not have to read people more so then drive them to victory.

Not being able to read an unreadable primarch, lol, is hardly an issue. The Lion considered Perturabo a Loyal brother as he was supposedly on his way to smite Horus. He betrayed the Lion. Dorn couldn't read that Garo was telling the truth about the betrayal of horus, so take your pick.