Considering New Army Direction
#1
Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:33 PM
As a lot of you know I am a Warhammer 40K nut who had to sell my armies in order to fund Uni. Now that I am getting back into it I need to pick an army.
While Raven Guard are my current mini-army (and I will complete them to a scout force level) I don't want to play a human army because I have done that way too often.
After glancing through all the Fluff I have decided I want to make an Eldar army; however, which one?
If any of you have experience playing with or against the current generation of Eldar or Dark Eldar under the current rulebook I would appreciate opinions. In terms of doubles games, I will likely be allied with Tau (my friends army) from time to time, but mostly it'll be a solo army.
Just a final note, please don't junk my thread up with roleplaying or fluff related opinion, especially if you have no experience with the armies I mention.
Note: Khaine is DE, Asuryan is Eldar. Read the Eldar Novels to know wth I am on about if it makes no sense!
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#2
Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:43 AM
My Eldar are basically Ulthwe', with the main colors being black and bleached bone. The aspect warriors all have their original aspect warrior colors, as seen in the Codex. I built my army with a heavy Guardian presence, but a lot of players shy away from them as they are pretty weak. But I still have plenty of success with them.
My army is as follows for 1850 points.
HQ:
Eldrad (Warlord)
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ELITES:
10 Striking Scorpions w/ Exarch (Scorpion's Claw)
5 Wraithguard w/ Warlock (Singing Spear and Destructor)
- Wave Serpent w/ TL Brightlances and Shuriken Cannon
TROOPS:
10 Guardians w/ Warlock (Singing Spear and Destructor)
10 Guardians w/ Warlock (Singing Spear and Destructor)
10 Guardians w/ Warlock (Singing Spear and Destructor)
5 Pathfinders
HEAVY SUPPORT:
2 War Walkers w/ 4 Scatter Lasers
2 War Walkers w/ 4 Scatter Lasers
2 War Walkers w/ 4 Shuriken Cannons
FORTIFICATIONS:
Agies Defense Line w/ Quadgun
Over 3rd, 4th, 5th, and now 6th Editions, this army has seen some drastic overhauls. But I am still in love with the Eldar army as a whole.
#3
Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:42 AM
I was really seeking statements or remarks about viability, nastiness and fun of play. I loved the specialization of my Eldar armies, how you had to consider the strengths and weaknesses of your units as opposed to just brute forcing it.
I've had a glance through the new DE codex and must say they have some very nice rules in there, I hope they go a similar direction with the 6th Ed Eldar codex due up next year regardless of my choice in army.
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#4
Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:29 AM
#5
Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:03 AM
All I can say, which of the armies interest you overall?
I posted this because I am about equally interested in both armies. Eldar are easier to paint, but require more money to paint. Dark Eldar will be harder to paint, but I have never played them before.
I won't be buying these till the new year, so I have plenty of time to research, consider and gather opinons
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#6
Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:32 AM
#7
Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:37 AM
If I had to choose an army, I would have Eldar because they are all round army with the ability to damage enemy psykers. Another good thing is that you can actually have an alliance with Dark Eldar if need be. If you are thinking of having Dark Eldar and Tau together then that there is a bad idea, because every army besides Eldar are desperate allies for Dark Eldar.
Desperate Allies?
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#8
Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:58 AM
Hey guys,
As a lot of you know I am a Warhammer 40K nut who had to sell my armies in order to fund Uni. Now that I am getting back into it I need to pick an army.
While Raven Guard are my current mini-army (and I will complete them to a scout force level) I don't want to play a human army because I have done that way too often.
After glancing through all the Fluff I have decided I want to make an Eldar army; however, which one?
If any of you have experience playing with or against the current generation of Eldar or Dark Eldar under the current rulebook I would appreciate opinions. In terms of doubles games, I will likely be allied with Tau (my friends army) from time to time, but mostly it'll be a solo army.
Just a final note, please don't junk my thread up with roleplaying or fluff related opinion, especially if you have no experience with the armies I mention.
Note: Khaine is DE, Asuryan is Eldar. Read the Eldar Novels to know wth I am on about if it makes no sense!
Imperial Guard is the way to go.
#9
Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:45 AM
DE, from what I've heard, took a real kick in the balls with 6th. Overwatch? Forget about wyches. Webway portals? Sure, if you don't mind waiting a turn to assault after popping out. A turn for your opponent to blow whatever lightly armoured unit you decided to pull through. Assaulting out of vehicles? no dice. The only way to run DE is a haemonculus coven, which is often expensive points wise and monetarily.
Eldar, while being an older book, have fared better than their dark cousins in the new edition. Being an older codex also means they are more likely to get an update soon (DE had to wait twelve years for theirs. Twelve. Fething. Years.)
If you really can't decide, I would recommend running Eldar with DE allies, or vice versa if you want the Harlie bomb (Two Archons with Shadow fields, farseer with fortune to re-roll the 2+ INV save, and as many harlies as you want. Keep in cover, put an Archon at each end and tank off a ridiculous amount of small arms fire.)
AFAIK, Eldar don't have flyers, while DE do, so that could be something to consider.
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#10
Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:04 AM
Eldar have more fliers than DE FYI.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:16 AM
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#12
Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:27 AM
Eldar can take Pheonix Bomber and Nightwing Interceptor according to Imperial Armour Aeronautica (plus Fire Storm AA transport).
It's starting to look more and more like I'm headed to Eldar, which would make my Aeronautica Imperialis and BFG armies all line up with the 40K one. Kinda shame DE is so munted, the models look amazing
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#13
Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:29 AM
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#14
Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:29 PM
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#15
Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:41 PM
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#16
Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:39 PM
#17
Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:11 PM
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#18
Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:06 PM
i will correct you guys on one point and that is most of the dark eldar transports are open topped meaning that you can assault the turn you disembark as they still count as assault vehicles.
Very useful information, thanks Trophic. That about balances out the factions again.
I take it you're a treadhead as well then
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:09 PM
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#20
Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:15 PM
Makes my twelve IG tanks seem tiny by comparison
Yeah, if I roll Eldar I will most definitely be getting a lot of FW units but now they have restricted some to Apoc only it does take the fun out. Used to love rolling Vanquishers and Destroyers in 40K games
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