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[WaRTroll50]

I've only been in my chapter a little over 2 months. I know what loyalty is .I will never leave the chapter i am in. Why?. Simply because the women and men of DeathWatch , are not a bunch of control freaks . We stay together because we enjoy playing together and ou r chapter doesn't have a bunch of power hungry ppl .We are not into the politics like alot of others are. Nor is there any backbiting , or disgruntled ppl .I have played in over 10 matches now, not many compared to alot of you.But i know what loyalty is .if you go by the books, only way to get out of a chapter is to die in battle , turn to heresy or join DeathWatch .all of us have friends in other chapters .That is what makes this game unique as far as i am concerned ,some of you hate to lose and are so highly competitive that you have no loyalty , you put down other ppl in other chapters, or the whole chapter all together .Some chapters are bribing ppl in other chapters with rank and recognition to jump chapters .Others, use a friend to try to destroy other chapters from within .So they can then raid said chapter of its best players ,Why? when i show up for chapter matches, i always see ppl who are in other chapters playing in matches they should not be in or if 1 chapter shows up and don't have enough players they bring in a ringer .This isn't right, it should not be tolerated in any match.Stealing ppl from other chapters should not be tolerated either, bribing ppl with cmmnd positions is lame and shows just how cheesy you truly are. Some chapters are not on this site.They are still chapters, show some rerspect ppl. alot of ppl refuse to come onto gothic wars because of all the crud, that is said on here .If you don't have something positive to say, then don' t say it at all. recently i played in a match, i n which half the ppl on the other side had switched chapters. I t was more of a dream team to fight against. but i did it anyway. I'm not scared of any player or group of players on here .Unlike alot of you I've been in actual combat , served in the military for 14yrs, 8 as a Ranger , 2 as a tunne l rat. 6 tours of combat .So yeah i know what Loyalty!! IS!! do not cheapen yourselves by being bribed, if your chapter is having problems or you'r e having problems with members in your chapter talk it out, work from within. Do not destroy your chapter by jumping to another .To many Elite players in any chapte r is destructive. Stealing ppl from other chapters is just wrong .Bribing ppl to join your chapte r is so much garbage i wil l not even go into it. I hope everyone of you read this , especially those of you who like to raid other chapters for their ppl . those of you who engage in this activity ,will eventually get what you deserve in the end .I haven't met a player in this game i have not liked .S o grow up ppl show some loyalty .If you join a chapter , that should be it .Stick it out ,resolve problems from within .It is cool to have friends in other chapters and play when your not in a match or training, but to let yourself be bribed or coerced into jumping to another cheapens the game and wha t we are supposed t o be about. some of you might not like me posting this. So what, every chapter in this game has a proud history and their own traditions and ways of doing things .So show some LOYALTY!! for pete's sake .Have some pride in the chapter you join .Don't be swayed, with petty rank, You lose respect, from other players and are normally disliked by the chapter you leave as you have shown Absolutely! NO! LOYALTY!! at all .I have talked abou t thi s on xbox live with ppl .Alot of them agree with me , maybe you won't .But like i said i know what LOYALTY!! is, and show it all the time. DO YOU?

[Keiya]

I see this being nothing more than a thread that will spawn hate and negative recourse. While everyone should value the word of their brother, some things are truly best left unsaid in this manner. While it may be meant to encourage and rally, sometime it can also instill shame and dishonor for those being caught in the fray who are looking for nothing more than comfort. You never really know the reasons behind someone leaving their group.

The fact of the matter is that people lose morale when they see things falling apart. I know where you come from ; loyalty is truly a huge thing. However, when it comes to a game/community like this, where else do you have to turn? For instance, I am a Blood Angel thru-and-thru. However, due to an internal conflict with that chapter I decided it was best to leave than try to suffer through it. As such I have set out to seek something new. What it boils down to is that people enjoy playing with others and when the people you play with are no longer enjoyable you try to move along. Sure it would be awkward for me to change colors from a Son of Sanguinius to say.. a Space Wolf - It's unheard of in the lore, yet this isn't lore driven.

Now, I can understand what you mean as far as jumping ship. The current issues with the Black Templars (For reference) simply leaves us all a little worried and concerned. It's very sad to see so many people unwilling to stick around and help rebuild and would rather leave for a better-standing chapter, but that's the way of things sadly. Maybe they have been willing but lack proper leadership to band them together? Perhaps they have proper leadership yet lack the drive of the members to reignite the fire? Many of us have offered our assistance, but things like this have to be dealt with internally. It truly, truly is sad to see a chapter fall apart, or a guild, or just a group of friends - but it is what it is. People get unhappy, they lose morale, they lose drive, and they move along.

As far as offering someone to leave another Chapter for their own just to bolster their numbers or increase their ranks, that is a tactic as old as war itself. This will never cease - especially in online gaming. You can't really deny the act of it's tactical use, but you also can't look up for those who are bribed. I can agree with you there. -nod- However this is just something that has to be dealt with by the people involved.

Referring to this site in regards to the 'crud' spoken here : Isn't that true about any community? There is always something about a group that others will dislike and look down upon. Regardless of the things that are spoken, do you know what I see when I come here every day? A group of friends, some rivals, and people that have welcomed me with open arms since day one. I think it is a great community that has some rough edges...but what is a comfortable quilt if not for a few frays and a few odd colors thrown in the mix?

I feel that your intentions are valiant, but again, without a little modesty it will instill a disgruntled atmosphere. Also try tapping the space bar a bit and watching your punctuation. I had to drink a little beer to not obtain a headache. Just poking fun, of course.

Thank you for your words, brother.

[Xx Curze xX]

I know what loyaly is also but sometimes you can not be loyal to ppl you do not get along with or see eye to eye with .i left a group because of a difference of opioin and personel reasons that spilled into this game.But this is just a game not anything else -not a real milatary outfit or a 1% m.c. or La Costra Nostra,it is a game on xbox and ppl want to win .Think of it like this ,a major league sports team trades players for varios reasons and I have seen this on every game on the consles;all the stuff you mentioned infighting,backbiting and ppl who want to win at all costs so they chang teams like they change thier underware.I am as loyal to those around me as they are to me!In the real world I have a small group that I will go to when called no questions asked and they for me.But that is not xbox it is real life.
On xbox freinds are different and real,true friens are even more rare,if they exist at all

[Corman2030]

Keiyadoesmakeagreatpoint!

[REAPER xDAx]

Since this is directed towards the Dark Angels I thought one of our members should respond to this. Yes, members from other chapters have been coming over to the Dark Angels for the last two weeks. They came to join us because we play together every day and we are all friends. As with the deal to get Opeth back to the game for a few months, I would happily make it again to get a friend to play the game with us. Since it now seems that many people from other chapters have lost respect for us for getting these good players to all join one team. As xo of the Dark Angels I will say for this chapter that we still have lots of respect for Deathwatch. I will be looking forward to playing with or against you guys soon.

[Angron767]

That'll do, pig, that'll do.

[Gerhart]

I don't believe this was directed at anyone or any chapter.

A Guilty conscience needs no accuser

The Templars have had their fare share of ship jumpers, so don't be so quick to push back bud.

What must be remembered is this is a game. Everyone has made valid points, as they say, to each his own. Do what makes the game fun for you I say.

[CruciasNZ]

For the love of The Emperor please use paragraphs!

Swapping chapter regularly rightly causes issues, however it is unfair to ask any one member to stay in a chapter they are unhappy with, or to hold them back from their desired chapter.

As Gerhart said, you (every member) should be in the chapter which makes you the happiest. Whether you judge this based on friendship, gamestyle or even just the fluff does not change the truth of the statement.

[Prosperan Son]

He has honor and loyalty, I will give him that. However, everyone has their own reasons for leaving a faction, War. You cannot immediately make the assumption because the members you faced are part of the new chapter and have the rank is because they were bribed or raided. You have to consider maybe they were given that position as a sign of respect or because they can handle it.

An example being when I was leading the Templars and we absorbed the Red Hands, an unofficial Gothic wars chapter led by my friend Mykael. Mykael held the rank of 3rd Crusade Castellan(Captain) in the Templars. However, I didn't give him that offer when he joined, I didn't offer him anything other than a bunch of players to play with, but I gave him that position because he A.He deserved it, B. He is obviously capable of leadership, since we absorbed his clan of 8 people, and C.It was a show of respect and brotherhood.

Is it fair , for a member who is unhappy with how the faction is being run, how it’s members act, or if he is feeling alone or unwelcome to go towards another clan that may suit him better, to be told that he is not allowed to do such a thing without being criticized by others, who simply do not understand his side?

Your posting and talking about what you have seen and heard only by word of mouth from others. Many people have done this in the last few days, if not weeks, but it's important that you all remember that before you make a judgment, you need to get the full side of the story. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to manipulation and ignorance.

People leave when they are unhappy ,when they look for better opportunities, or simply because they wish to go where their friends have gone. Everyone has their reasons, and that reason is their own. I know that many Templars have left to go with other chapters, not because they believe in that chapter or the one they came from, but simply because that's where their friends are.

People,this is a community founded upon friendship and similar taste in games and lore. We need to remember that everyone has a right to pursue what makes them happy. We have no right to judge them otherwise.

That's all I have to say about that.

[CotW]

I will post again here later with something more meaningful but I'd like to make a comment on here after talking with WarTroll and others last night.

This is not a dig at anyone one person or chapter or meant as an insult to anyone. It is observations made based on things here and various conversations. The core message should be taken that loyalty to your chapter should be high on your priorities when joining a group. Things do change but people should take care when choosing to join a group and make sure the do it for the right reasons. To do otherwise may lead to early departures and loyalty questioned.

[Dragon-Silver]

@first post.

Can't tell if serious.

Someone lock this thread.
It was just a poor attempt at flamebait.
If I didn't know better I'd think him to be Dern.

[Prosperan Son]

That's quite the accusation Silver. Perhaps something that should not be thrown around lightly in these delicate times. The man wishes to speak his opinion in which others have responded, now he needs to be given the chance to defend his belief. If it devolves into a flame war, then it should be closed, but it has yet to do so. Let's give him the chance to speak.

[Danguinius]

Everyone has the right to choose. But I don't respect those who do one thing and say another.

If you do wish to leave your chapter, be upfront about it. Explain your motivations and others will respect you for it.

Speaking from experience of chapter members leaving under questionable circumstances (those involved shall remain nameless) it serves nothing but to aggravate the ongoing members. Honesty is the best policy in all regards.

[Sammael]

I think the most important thing for me is a group of people I get with really well. I love the lore Crimson Fists, they're my second favorite Chapter of Space Marines just behind the Ultramarines, but I'm really an Eldar fanboy through and through. I'll speak plainly here, because I always feel internet drama and BS gets way too heavy... if people want to leave a Chapter, fine. If people stay in a Chapter for a day, fine. If people stay forever, fine. This is a site about a game. You do this stuff in your own time, the time for your own enjoyment, spend it doing stuff you find makes you happy.

I have found that there is a group of people from all over Gothic Wars that I genuinely like, and then there are those I think are total asshats, my tactic? I play with the guys and girls I like, and don't play with the ones I don't. I know this sounds way too logical for the internet, but fuck me if it doesn't work.

My point is, in the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, you join a Chapter and fight to the death against the enemies of Man, you'd be a super human, and the battle would decide the fate of billions, this is important. In the grim darkness of XBOX Live, nothing you do matters to anyone but you, and if you don't enjoy it, stop. It's not rocket science, but it sure does seem like many find it hard to grasp.

[CotW]

@first post.

Can't tell if serious.

Someone lock this thread.
It was just a poor attempt at flamebait.
If I didn't know better I'd think him to be Dern.

Thanks for waiting for him to clarify his position and make his post more readable before jumping to conclusions. Not to mention my post before you giving a bit more context to his position. Honestly this is one of the first posts I've considered reporting!

WaRTroll is a person who respects loyalty above most other things when it comes to people. This translates into his views on Chapters. We all acknowledge that things change over time but how you act when they do will shape the image people have of you.

By ensuring that you are comfortable with a Chapter before signing on with them you will have less chances of things going sour later. I have seen too many people just join the first group to ask them without looking into what that group is about and who it's members are. This has happened in all Chapters I am sure, the Deathwatch no exception.

When things change in a group it is up to you to make sure your leaving is really the right thing. It is easy to leave when it is tough but sticking it out can be rewarding in the long run if things improve. If they don't be honest about it. If you joined because of friends and then leave with them you are showing loyalty to the crew you play with. Which in my opinion trumps any Chapter loyalty as those are your friends while many Chapter brothers may be acquaintances as best.

Take Ko and the Imperial Fists for example. He and others were Deathwatch first because of our attitude and his matched. Unfortunately our gaming times did not match up resulting in little chance to play as a group with him. He didn't quit, he asked permission to leave and take the members who were in the same time zone with him. This showed his loyalty and respect for us while ensuring he was able to play the game with a crew. Everything was transparent and our Chapter is happy for his success. Hope you don't mind me using this example Ko but it help show my point.

I hope WarTroll will be on later so he can fix up his first post per our chat the other day and I also hope others reading this stop jumping to conclusions that this is an attack on them or their Chapter. This is about individuals and a request for them to consider their actions and how those actions (or lack of action) can be interpreted when it comes to their loyalty.

Now lets go join our brothers and kick some ass online!

[Dragon-Silver]

I didn't need to wait for him to clarify his position or write properly.
I was able to read his post [albeit with difficulty] and he made his position very clear.
I just don't believe that he's making a serious post.
The way it's presented, as well as the grammar, leaves me with the impression of a joke post.
I just can't take it seriously.

Also, let me remind you that this is just a game.
There is no need to have a go at people for 'disloyalty' etc.
If they want to play with other people, who are you [not aimed at anyone specific] to hold it against them?
It is just a game. Lighten up.

[CruciasNZ]

I think this has existed long enough. It serves no real purpose, Gerhart and I covered the meat of it on the first page.